Strength VS Endurance

[Gavin]

Hey everyone, I was wondering something.

A person who can bench press 500 pounds would probably seem "really strong", right, but what if they could only do it once? What if someone else could bench press 250 pounds 10 tems in a row?

What's the difference here, between strength and endurance?

At what point have you stopped training strength (when doing any particular excersize) and you are just training for endurance?

How important is endurance before going on to "the next level"?

And how does endurance work?

I can curl 10 pounds 50 times... but I can only curl 20 pounds 15 times. Shouldn't I be able to curl it 25 times??

[jonp382]

Up to about 20 reps, it will strengthen you, and most of the strengthening is done in the first 10-15 reps. After that, it mostly goes into endurance. So I'd say around 20 reps you've stopped training your strength, at least for the most part.

I'd personally go with the 500 pounds one rep, since I could probably bench press the 250 10 times already if I could do 500 pounds in one rep...I trained nothing but one arm push-ups for a month and I could knock out 100 push-ups, even though my one arm push-ups work was under 10 reps. I don't think most peoples muscles work the same way as mine do, though. Might be different for some people. Before I started working my one arm push-ups, I could only do 40 standard push-ups in a row.

Also, I can curl the 10 pound weights for probably at least 50 reps...but I can only do the 30 pounder for about 5 reps...just the way it works. Strength gets recruited more than your endurance for higher weights...so what might be lacking is the proper endurance for heavier loads...while you already have the proper strength to do a movement.

[Gavin]

Wow. I can do 4 sets of 10 pushups. I'm gonna be changing to sets of 15 and reducing rest time inbetween sets; maybe soon I'll be able to do a one-armed pushup? lol

I can do 4 sets of 10 chair dips (using two chairs) and kotlz says I shouldn't be able to because I can't do a lot of pushups.

Well I don't know. I'm gonna keep doing my dips (working up the reps) and the same with the pushups until I can do them one handed.

What happens when your muscles are resting between sets, and how does decreasing the rest time benefit you (and how can doing it too fast harm you?)

[koltz]

Up to about 20 reps, it will strengthen you, and most of the strengthening is done in the first 10-15 reps. After that, it mostly goes into endurance. So I'd say around 20 reps you've stopped training your strength, at least for the most part.

I'd personally go with the 500 pounds one rep, since I could probably bench press the 250 10 times already if I could do 500 pounds in one rep...I trained nothing but one arm push-ups for a month and I could knock out 100 push-ups, even though my one arm push-ups work was under 10 reps. I don't think most peoples muscles work the same way as mine do, though. Might be different for some people. Before I started working my one arm push-ups, I could only do 40 standard push-ups in a row.

Also, I can curl the 10 pound weights for probably at least 50 reps...but I can only do the 30 pounder for about 5 reps...just the way it works. Strength gets recruited more than your endurance for higher weights...so what might be lacking is the proper endurance for heavier loads...while you already have the proper strength to do a movement.

You can't bench 500 ,
your 1rm is around 330 by the books.

I smell smth fishy

[jonp382]

I never said I could bench 500 or my one rep max was 330...

???

[koltz]

I'd personally go with the 500 pounds one rep, since I could probably bench press the 250 10 times already

[jonp382]

Mmm, I ment to type if, not that I could.

[koltz]

lmao nevermind , anyway benching 250 for reps isn't close to being impressive as 500 , I am close to benching it for 10RM in terms of what I use for dips and stuff like that and I used to bench so it won't take long to relearn the pattern with already strong muscles but I can't even dream of doing 1RM 500 , it's not in the same league

[Bobby]

kay but heres another question. I can curl 55 pound for 20 reps and bench 250 for 10 but I can't do more than 30 pushups. I only weigh 240 but I'm 6,2. Whats wrong with my pushups?

[Melkolmr]

And, yet another question- would I really be able to expect to see strength increases (in terms of weight load increases) if I switched over entirely to bodyweight exercises for a period of time?

[koltz]

cause each pushup you lift 60% of your weight.
how much can you bench 60% of your weight?


and dude, stop doing benching and curling.
You should spend your time in the gym to do this:
Deadlift
Hack squat
(theese you do with close and wide grips to work your arms and all that)
Rows
Bench
overhead press , Also do some sets with dumbells
Side crunch.

infact just hook it up to a FBW routine and just do it much betterthen doing an ABCDEFG split with machines

[1rickloyd1]

how can you say stop benching and curling then tell him that one of the things to do in the gym is bench?? Also Is it koltz or koltx??

[koltz]

cause if he uses this as a measure of strength he probably does it all the time , sure they are sstuff you probably have to do if you got iron but youcan't base a routine off them...

and it's very wide spread and the reason is not the noob trainees but the gymowners who won't let us squat DL and row. and you can't lift a lot of weight for militrry press ( and parents go crazy over this) so here you go , teens do all thier stuff around benching and curling...

[Bobby]

Actually I have never been in a Gym. I inherited an old set of dumbells and I use them once in a while outside. I built a small bench and I use a shaft off of a post hole digger for the bar. Its a very rickety set up. That is the reason I wanted to get into the Bodyweight workouts. Thanks for the info!