Guidance Needed for Planche/Handstand

[distincthead]

Hey all,

I'm very interested in these forms of exercise; however, I have a few questions.

1) Which would be more appropriate to learn first, freestanding handstand or planche/elbow lever.

2) How should I train for doing each of those two exercises? Currently, I can only do a frog stand for one minute (never tried going longer) but can't seem to really hold a tuck planche. As for handstands, I can only do wall handstands, but can do them for upwards of a minute or two. I can't go free because (I think) my core and arms aren't strong enough to stabilize. My shoulders seem to be my strongest point right now. Also, is just holding (isometric) positions beneficial, or would reps of some sort of exercise work better?

I'm just confused with where to begin. Thanks so much!

[plancheismine]

practice the elbow lever, planche, and HS all at the same time....
add in some Tuck planche push ups when you get good and HSPU's

[koltz]

elbow lever has little to do with planches , you get to hollow(was it) your body and some minimal biceps oad and screw your elbows and stomach anyway it's nto the same thing a planche is totally different then an elbow lever in terms of hardness fat chicks can do elbow levers with one arm but not even a tucked planche

anyway you learn whatever you want first , a freestandign handstand is cool but doesn't have much benefits as an excersise... I think you should learn to save and escape from them right and easy before attemptign them I once trashed my spine by trying to do a handstand press on a matress and holding it for a few secs...

a planche is less a matter of balanche and needs much more strength , if you can't do tucked planches you should try doing dips for reps firt while leaning foreward and psuedo planche pushups (and posiblly train the position with weights and strands but it's not the right forum)

isometrics are very beneficial IMO but they have thier problems it's just a tool you can use to gain strength in a given position very fast and sort of safe although it's easy to overtrain if you do it right without the right conditioning

[plancheismine]

tuck planches helped my dips amazingly! :shock: could barely even do a few full dips and worked on my tuck palnche (plus push up attempts) and could do like 15 full ones! 8)
Interms of difficulty: planche>elbow lever.

[Celcius]

Let me start by saying that you can easily throw yourself out of balance.
Sure train your handstand, but don't forget the pullups.
Sure train the planche but don't forget the rows or front levers.

For a planche, I strongly believe that pseudo planche pushups are required.

A free standing handstand is a totally different animal in terms of training. In my experience and reading very few people can do free standing handstand let alone free standing handstand pushups on their own. Some sort of guidance is required.
You can do the HSPU against a wall, both facing and back to the wall.
That will help, when you are ready to go free standing.

Peace :wink:

[koltz]

also don't really do them freestanding withotu safety wheels untill you learn how to do a handspring a press to handstand and a kick up to handstand without tuching the wall , hold it for a fe wminutes be able to save it and also learn to save the falls on your back.

till then don't try to do it free unless you got acess to a gymnastics facility , also unlike the commom myth , you won't really fear going up even if you tried it near a wall when you move off

[Darnizzle]

what are elbow levers?

[koltz]

like a planche with your elbows supporting you.