Hanstand push ups vs pull ups

I am GAM right now and both pull ups and handstand push up are part of the program.
This is what I can't figure out. How come pull ups are so much easier.
One of the things that I got from the book is that shoulders are smaller and weaker than lats. Also most people practice pull ups more.
My question is this. If people always did handstand stuff since kids, but never did any pull ups. Would the present situation of most people able to do pull ups and not HSP be reversed?
I can do a amount of pull ups, but not one good handstand push up.

[koltz]

Anatomically lats are the biggest uppr body muscule , there almost the size of quads in many people delts are actually 3 very small muscules , only one of them works with HSPUS (upper pecs might activate too and most of the weight is on the tri's)
chins that use brachilias or biceps along with rear delts and lats basicly use 50% more muscle for the move...

also if a kid will do HSPUS all day and no pullups chances are he won't be able to do one at all without training for it because it uses different muscules and more grip, most people today who even train with weights hardly drain the delts because there afraid to overhead press , and there isn't a big veraity of latheral delts excersises with bodyweight

Anatomically lats are the biggest uppr body muscule , there almost the size of quads in many people delts are actually 3 very small muscules , only one of them works with HSPUS (upper pecs might activate too and most of the weight is on the tri's)
chins that use brachilias or biceps along with rear delts and lats basicly use 50% more muscle for the move...

also if a kid will do HSPUS all day and no pullups chances are he won't be able to do one at all without training for it because it uses different muscules and more grip, most people today who even train with weights hardly drain the delts because there afraid to overhead press , and there isn't a big veraity of latheral delts excersises with bodyweight

You can't do lateral delts with BW?

[koltz]

You can but there isn't a lot of stuff to progress into HSPUS , mostly tiger bent pushups not a lot of people even do them

You can but there isn't a lot of stuff to progress into HSPUS , mostly tiger bent pushups not a lot of people even do them

GAM actually shows a progression to handstand push ups.
When you look at the webpage and there is a picture of Paul in handstand position with feet on chair- that's part of the progression for the HSPUS.

[koltz]

what's gam ffs?

GAM is a hard core bodyweight program. lol
http://www.elasticsteel.com

You can but there isn't a lot of stuff to progress into HSPUS , mostly tiger bent pushups not a lot of people even do them

About tiger bend push ups. There are two things that people think of when they say that.
One is arms over the head extended push ups and the other is butt up, feet against the wall push ups.
Which one are you talking about?

[koltz]

Actually I'm talking about any bent pushup where the upper arm is moved by the lateral deltroids. in other words bent in the center , the grip and feet poition may very


p.s , I just looked at that gam site , sounds like some guy compiled a bunch of skills from over the net wrote some praising words on it and makes money from it , ressistance is ressistance don't get fooled by words like "develop amazign strength via methods unknown earlier to the public" 99% of this site is unknown to the public. infact everyone acn come up with a move and he will probably be the only person using it among milions or more maybe, for example rollups(admins could you erase that thread I will compile it in a guide I will spread through metacafe or something or chain mail) and a lot of other moves I didn't post here , but this doesn't make them anythign new and super effective under the sun , well except for one I'm testing it has potential to be very usefull but you will know it for free if it's good :)

Actually I'm talking about any bent pushup where the upper arm is moved by the lateral deltroids. in other words bent in the center , the grip and feet poition may very


p.s , I just looked at that gam site , sounds like some guy compiled a bunch of skills from over the net wrote some praising words on it and makes money from it , ressistance is ressistance don't get fooled by words like "develop amazign strength via methods unknown earlier to the public" 99% of this site is unknown to the public. infact everyone acn come up with a move and he will probably be the only person using it among milions or more maybe, for example rollups(admins could you erase that thread I will compile it in a guide I will spread through metacafe or something or chain mail) and a lot of other moves I didn't post here , but this doesn't make them anythign new and super effective under the sun , well except for one I'm testing it has potential to be very usefull but you will know it for free if it's good :)


One of the exercises in the shoulder forum is for the lateral deltoids.

In defense of GAM, which I love by the way. I got it two weeks ago.
It's not so much the moves, it's the way to build up to them. :wink:

[koltz]

I see , so basicly it's not like pavel tatsulines naked warrior and stuff like that which sell like 5 (known) moves for 20$ I can be fine with that :\

Sure if you train only one thing you will be good at only that. It's obvious.
Pull ups are easier to learn than handstand push ups. I think most people would agree on that.

[jb21]

I believe part of it has to do with the body position being unnatural and thus more difficult to maintain, before the movement even begins. With a handstand pushup, you are dealing w/ balance...and from an unnatural (upside down) position. The only difficult position of the pullup is being able to hold your own weight.
Thats just my opinion.

I believe part of it has to do with the body position being unnatural and thus more difficult to maintain, before the movement even begins. With a handstand pushup, you are dealing w/ balance...and from an unnatural (upside down) position. The only difficult position of the pullup is being able to hold your own weight.
Thats just my opinion.

Yeah,
When you think of it all the gym equipment is build so that you sit right side up and not uside down, for comfort. :wink:

[koltz]

There isn't much balance involved in a supported HSPU , maybe a little if you try to be compleatly at the air when you push then lean on the wall once in a while like I do them , doing them freestanding is mainly for show

[jb21]

There isn't much balance involved in a supported HSPU , maybe a little if you try to be compleatly at the air when you push then lean on the wall once in a while like I do them , doing them freestanding is mainly for show

Regardless, my point is you are in an unnatural position.
I cant even get into position...mental block I guess.
Everytime that I try to get into handstand position, my body just goes into a forward roll. Maybe someone can help me with this?
Oh, and I tried them against a wall.....I still roll...right into the wall....its awful.

[koltz]

Try doing headstands on a bed , I had this sort of block too the next day I was popping HSPUS like a natural =\

[Razor]

Does bringing your hands closer in the HSPU put more stress on the triceps? Because I was thinking that it would be a great way to strengthen them for the one-arm-pushup rather than following the guide posted by the admin...

[ryane6]

I estimate that in order to be balanced in vertical pushing and vertical pulling you should be able to do one pull-up with 150% bodyweight for every full ROM handstand push up that you can do. Some people (especially breakdancers) are extremely imbalanced and can often do more handstand push ups than pull-ups which is absolutely insane in my opinion. I have yet to find somebody that is awesome at handstand push ups that is also equally awesome at pull ups.

[Razor]

It seems I need to make an apology for asking a question only about the HSPU at this topic, since it has got nothing to do with the pullup. I just wish to know if doing the HSPU with a very narrow grip actually puts more emphazis on the triceps rather than the deltoids.

[ryane6]

Razor, using a narrow grip for HSPU's certainly will place more emphasis on the triceps. This would definitely be an alternative route to developing the one-arm push up. Remember though that one-arm push ups also demand core strength and stabilising muscles that won't be worked with close-grip HSPU's.

[Razor]

I have got that area covered. I do core training in the off-days from lower and upper body exercising. So core strength should not get in my way. Thank you for the feedback!